>> well, they've taken romney's health care plan in massachusetts and taken it national, which romney would never have done and doesn't believe in. but i don't know that they've done very much. the auto thing is going along fine. i think there's a very good argument to be made that if those companies had been allowed to go through a normal type of bankruptcy, they would be in better shape today than they are. >> and i would just add to that, so julian is one of the great investors of our time. i run an investment firm. the one thing that investors like to see and must see before capital really flows is certainty as opposed to uncertainty, so just if you think through the steps that this president took when he came into office, at almost every turn, and i know i'm partisan but at almost every turn he created uncertainty, right, so obama care creates great uncertainty about will people keep their health insurance, where will costs go, can you invest in health care? dodd-frank put a complete chill on lending because of the uncertainty. tax policy, if you talk to any tax expert, really wh